Returning to the Soil with Benjamin Page

We've lost our connection to Mother Earth. Today's society and standards of living force us into a life of alienation from nature, from the tangible things that make our inner homo sapiens happy. What can we do about this?

Ben is here to tell us about how we can reconnect to the Earth and let her nourish us with her gifts in the simplest way possible: reconnecting with soil. Tune in to find out all about gardening, composting, soil properties and how soil quality can make our food healthier and more fulfilling.

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[00:00:00] If you are going to do anything,take your shoes and socks off and go walk on the ground. More important. If youhave kids, take their shoes and socks off and go walk on the ground for 30minutes every day to feel what the earth can actually do.

[00:00:28] Hey, Benjamin and welcome to theancestral mind. Podcasts. Can you give me a quick version of your story? Giveus an idea of where this all started. Let's get it kicked off. Yeah. And Imean, he's been this quick story is I've basically was raised in the soil. ThenI left the soil and then I had some problems in life and coming back to thesoil is what made me feel so great.

[00:00:49] I mean, that's, that's one ofthe main reasons why I wrote this book because I have my own podcast and Istarted to realize that. I S I started to say playing in the dirt a lot. Imean, [00:01:00] we need to get out and work and, and I didn't unlike sayingwork. I like to say play because it should be, I mean, we live in a life whereeveryone's too serious and I said, well, instead of working out in the dirt,let's go out and play in the dirt.

[00:01:12] And when I first started doingit, when I, it, well, when I got back to start doing it, um, It was a lifechanger. It helped me so much. And then I started to study it and what the soilis and how it helps us. And not only the soil, but just being out in nature.And I was like, I need to write about this because there's just way too manybenefits.

[00:01:31] And that's how the book cameabout. I'm a, I'm a chiropractic physician. So I've been working as achiropractor for the last 10 years now. I'm working in various clinics. Andthen at the same time, I started growing chicken on pasture for my patients andfor my family. And then from there it just kept on growing my interest in whatis.

[00:01:48] Food as fuel. And that broughtme back to the soil and how, if we don't have a soil that's alive, the foodthat we're consuming is basically just dead calories. So I just [00:02:00] kepton studying about it. And that's how the book came about playing in the dirt.And that's, and that's what we're going to be talking about today among otherthings I imagined, but that's going to be one of the major things that we'regoing to be talking about is my book that it's been out for about three weeksnow and it's coming along, but.

[00:02:12] We'll talk about that, butthat's basically how I, how I came to write this book is slowly but surely Icame back to what I always was. I was raised on a garden. I kind of left that.And then my life brought me back to, and it's been, it's been wonderful. Sohere's what I like, like, and hate about ancestral health at the same time.

[00:02:28] There's so much to it. When youlook back and you think about all the things that we do today, versus what wedid back then and what was done differently. But what I like about your bookand what you've, at least just the title and the simplicity of the directionyou're taking is you're focusing on one thing.

[00:02:44] You're like, here's the dirt,here's the soil. This is basically the microcosm of how we can start to. Fix,what is wrong ancestrally with how we, how we live. Right? So without spoiling,if somebody wants to go grab the book [00:03:00] and read it without spoilingthat, what would you say the overarching kind of theory is there with this oneoil itself?

[00:03:05] Well, in the book, what I'mdoing is I'm talking about eight specific things that we can do as human beingsthat will improve our health. If physically. Emotionally and spiritually, it'snot just physically, when people think about the garden or getting back intonature, they're thinking of, of physically cause you're eating nutrient densefood or other things where you're moving.

[00:03:25] No, but it helps quite a bitemotionally. And if we're healthiest spiritually, the emotional, the physicalhealth is a lot easier to maintain. So actually getting back into nature is agreat way to improve your health in all three. Aspects of health, which arevery, very important. We can't just try to focus on one we're holistic beings.

[00:03:42] And we have to do things wherewe are improving health in all spectrums of our life and what I found throughall this research and all this, a lot of just putting my life out there. So thebook is about the book just full of my own life's experiences, um, the hardtime. So it was really hard to write, cause this is, this [00:04:00] book talksabout those really hard moments in my life where I was like, okay, Dude, whatam I doing here in this world?

[00:04:04] I have no reason to be here andI don't want to be here anymore, and I'm not bringing anything out and, andgoing out into nature, planning a garden helped me to overcome those things.And so the books full of a lot of personal experiences too. And how, how it'shelped me personally move on and, and, and deal with life struggles also.

[00:04:23] That's a great point. I, whenyou're looking at kind of humans throughout history, they've always contributedto their tribe, right? Like before we became what we became, you went out andgot food. Everybody shared the food, it was great. You feel like youcontributed something today. We go to a nine to five job.

[00:04:40] We type some numbers and somespreadsheets, and it's really hard to get that sense of accomplishment or atleast that sense that you provided something for somebody to value and helpthem. So, As it doesn't seem like it would need to be something that we need,but I think it becomes more and more clear that in order to be happy,[00:05:00] you need to kind of do what you've always done, which is helpeveryone around you.

[00:05:05] Yeah. I mean, to tell you thetrue, one of the things that I like most about the garden, it's not the wholeplanning process and seeing the seeds grow and seeing the fruit grow, it'sactually taking the fruit off the plant. Or taking the animal I raised andpreparing a food and sharing it with other people.

[00:05:25] I mean, that's gotta be one ofthe most beautiful things about. Playing in the dirt is the ability to sharewhat you grow with other people it's, it's so emotionally satisfying and it's abeautiful thing to be able to do that. And so I think you're completelycorrect. And yeah, a lot of it's lost in this nine to five hamster will go towork, come home, and I'm too stressed to do anything else.

[00:05:44] So I just sit down and watch thetelevision, but yeah, it's, it's a beautiful feeling to be able to do that.Yeah, we didn't even get to leave the house to do the nine to five thing anymore.So we don't even get like the sunlight kind of through the window of the carwhile we're yelling at people in a traffic jam.

[00:06:02] [00:06:00] Isn't the DDS thesame day. Now I know. And there's, there's no difference. You even lose trackof the days. It's it's it's crazy. So before we get into the rest of thespecifics of the soil and all that stuff, you said something off air that Ijust, I got to talk about. And you were telling me that you were robbedrecently and we didn't, I got little bits and pieces of the story, but I kindof want to know the whole story.

[00:06:26] Like what happened? How didthat, how did that affect the book coming out? Did you lose like. The pages youhad written, tell me what happened. I'll never forget it. And because it was a28th of February, 2020 at about eight 40 at night. And when we got the callfrom my mother-in-law saying we'd been robbed and we were out enjoying a dinnerwith some buddies that had come to visit in Argentina.

[00:06:52] Uh, we left the house, so weleft the house at about eight, 15. Um, got to the restaurant, we ordered thefood [00:07:00] and then my mother-in-law calls me and I was like, well, sherarely calls me. So I pass it to my, my wife. She answers the phone and she's,and I continued to chat and she's like, we just got robbed.

[00:07:12] Like, what are you talkingabout? So we got up and we had already ordered the food. We got up said bye.And went home and yeah. It was about as bad as you could possibly think. Theytook the door and they bent it inwards somehow, and they got their selvesinside the house. And then they just took whatever they wanted, which happenedto be one of my computers with all my luckily I had the book was in the, is inthe cloud.

[00:07:35] So I didn't lose the book. Ididn't have to start from, but the five months of marketing material that hadplanned, because I was supposed to launch the book, the following week wasgone. All of it. So I had to go back in step one and started all over again.And that was five months. So this book was supposed to come out in April andended up coming out three weeks ago.

[00:07:56] So I had to go step one. LuckilyI had a lot of, in my mind still. [00:08:00] So it wasn't, didn't take as long.And to tell you the truth, I look back at it and I say, I mean, was I robbed atthe wrong time? Or was I robbed at the right time? I mean, it's, it's kindahard to cause it. Probably was better now than would have been then, but itstill was heartbreaking and realizing that slowly through the process.

[00:08:20] Cause it didn't, I didn't gethome and realize like, Oh my gosh, they just stole all my material. Uh, it washalfway through the police report where I realized like, Oh my goodness, I'mgonna have to start from zero on this marketing plan. Again, it came in slowlyand it was, it was a devastating four or five hours of like, Oh my goodness,this has gone.

[00:08:38] That's gone. This has gone.That's gone. And yeah, it was 20. It was 20th of February, 2020. And it was, itwas tough, but we, we got through it and we're, we're moving on. So, well, itsounds like you have the right mindset on it. You, you said, I dunno if it wasthe right or the wrong time, you know, who knows how much money they got awaywith on top of it?

[00:08:58] Like how much value there, but[00:09:00] they, at least in that. Bright way of looking at life. Like, youknow, that maybe your market content is better now that you had a second gothrough it and all of it, like you knew the basics, but now you knew five monthsat the end, you had that much experience. Now starting at the beginning of it,which is valuable to an extent.

[00:09:20] So maybe in the end, your, yourbook will do even better. And you'll. You'll be kind of better off for it andget more value than you lost in the, in the thievery from the beginning. I'mhoping, um, to tell you the truth, that's what I'm, I'm hoping. And at themoment, I didn't, I didn't feel like that. I mean, he's like, dude, why didthis happen?

[00:09:37] But now that I look back at it,it was like, okay, so, so was it the right time? I mean, it's, there's never aright time to be robbed, especially when they're young, when they're taking somuch. I mean the material things come and go. So they did take a lot of moneyand it did take a lot of, a lot of our. Uh, computers with, with memories onit, which also don't come back.

[00:09:56] But in the end, um, it probablywas the right [00:10:00] time, um, that they, they took what they took. Uh,even though I had to do everything from my iPhone. So. Everything that waswritten. So I learned how to write really fast with my thumbs writing. I wrotealmost everything on my, I mean, all of the articles, um, the, the emails,everything was written on my iPhone.

[00:10:19] I have everything on my iPhone,in the cloud. So that's, and that's basically what I had to do because Icouldn't get, I couldn't get our hands on a computer or we just can't get ourhands on a computer while we're at. It was just difficult. We used to havesomebody who worked for us and another guy wasn't Argentina was anothercountry.

[00:10:33] Computers and laptops were ahuge premium there. We, she constantly had issues with her laptop and we werelike, why don't we just buy her another one? We'll they're 200 bucks here. Wecan get like a Chromebook sent over to her and it'll be great. No, it's notthat easy. You can't just buy a laptop and send it to somebody.

[00:10:49] There's ridiculous hoops. Youhave to jump through. So it creates this shortage. And when you get. To placeslike that, a laptop that would go here in the United States for $200 [00:11:00]costs. A thousand dollars. Yeah. I mean, do the import taxes is insane. I'minsane. Yeah. Is there any, I don't know if you'd want to answer this questionbecause I don't want to give any new robbers, any ideas, but was there anythingthat they didn't get that you were like ha morons, that thing was worth morethan everything you got combined and you didn't get it?

[00:11:17] Yeah, there was, they, theytook, it took all the Argentine pesos, but they didn't get any of the. Dollars.So

[00:11:29] it took all the Arjun timebezels, which was a lot more than I wish they would have took, but they didn'tget it. Any, any amount more than zero is more than you would wish? I justremember the, uh, the time that my car got broken into, they took my dash cam,which was like, I don't know, $50 or something like a hundred bucks orsomething, but I had a pull cue in the back seat that was a thousand dollarpool cue that they didn't touch.

[00:11:54] So I was like, you know what?Trade off. You know, if you're going to break my window, [00:12:00] which isthe least covered by insurance and steal my dash cam, whatever needed to getthis thing. So now, whatever, there's nothing, nothing good about being robbed.If you're out there listening to show, you're thinking about robbing somebodydon't do it.

[00:12:10] But if you're thinking thatmaybe you need to go play in the dirt. That's what we can kind of bring thisback in and help you out with. So how is Argentina related to, to play with thedirt is how did you end up where you are there? I assume you're on a farm ofsomething. No, I'm a chiropractor. So my playing in the dirt is my garden.

[00:12:31] I'm constantly. That's that'swhat I do right now is my constant playing in the dirt is, um, just as Igarden, as much as I can and getting on it, getting to get out into nature asmuch as I can when I'm not treating patients as a chiropractor, I did have a, Idid have a, a chicken farm. So we raised, we raised, uh, chicken for meat for awhile in the States.

[00:12:50] And yeah, that was a beautifulexperience. That was. A beautiful experience. I really liked that experienceand we raised it on pasture. So some of the best tasting chicken in the world,but at the moment, [00:13:00] right now here, I'm in Argentina. Um, and it'sjust all farming. And then working with my patients, helping them understandthe importance of playing in the soil.

[00:13:05] Also. So if a patient comes toyou, day one, what are some of the things that you look for to help them withlike, what's the, they come in, they're like, Hey, you know, my back's hurtingor, or whatever the case, I don't know if they actually see you for that. But Iwould assume from chiropractor standpoint, they're like, Hey, my back'shurting.

[00:13:21] How do you go from your back'shurting to helping them with a diagnosis of, Hey, get out there and start doingthese three things and here's step one. This is what you should do. The first twoor three visits, it's mainly just helping them understand their spine and thehealth of their spine. And then once we get into the whole process of health,which is a lot more than just one thing.

[00:13:42] So it can't just be the spine. Imean, help overall involves quite a bit of quite a bit of lifestyle changes.That's when we start getting into the beauty of. What's outside and what thesoil can give you. And so it's usually a couple of visits into the, into, intotreatment that we start really get into.

[00:13:59] Well, what can we [00:14:00] doout of the clinic where you can continue to improve and not only improve, butreach a point where you're stable and we you're, you, you you're healthy. Sothe it's it's, it's a more of a process and yeah, it's most about visit threeis when I started talking about the importance of getting back into nature.

[00:14:19] And then after that, we startgetting into gardening and food too. So, but the first couple of visits arejust trying to get them out of acute pain. The majority of the patients comein, I'm the last resort. They're like, dude, I've been everywhere. I don't knowwhat I'm doing. No, one's helping me. Can you help me?

[00:14:34] All right, let's do this. So yousaid you do a lot of gardening and we've had a lot of. Guests on the show thatare kind of against plants too. So what are your kind of, I mean, we've hadhardcore carnivores on the show. We've had people that are not quite ashardcore, that they may be Quito or something like that, but everybody agrees.

[00:14:53] Meat's fine. I don't think we'vehad any like hardcore vegans on the show yet, but how do you feel about likethe. The plants are poisoned and that kind of thing that [00:15:00] might be, Imean, it's there for our good, I mean, of course, if all you're eating isplants. Of course. No. If all you're eating is me. I mean, everything out thereis for a good it's.

[00:15:09] When we take it to extremes,there are poisonous plants. We stay away from them, but usually most things areedible and unless we're eating them in a way that's too much, which usually wedon't, we should be fine, but we need a combination of, of it all. I'm a hugeadvocate of meat and fats. We need. A lot more fat in our diet and proteinsalso meats, but plants are also part of the human diet.

[00:15:32] We're we're not just carnivores.We're not just herbivores. I mean, so we're we're combination for omnivores.Are there any super weird or unique foods that you would eat in Argentina that,you know, if I was in Thailand, it might be a scorpion or something. I don'tknow. But is there anything like, like that down there?

[00:15:51] Nope. Argentina is known for itsmeats. I mean, Argentina is known for some barbecues, so here a lot of meeting.So all those carnivores would be pretty [00:16:00] happy down here. There's alot of meats. I mean, that's what they're known for. I mean, you look up foodsfrom Argentina, you'll see empanadas and meat.

[00:16:09] That's what they're known for.Is it just kind of like every corner of every city, you've got some amazingbutcher shop that is making some meat for you, or is it kind of more like, likeI've never been around Tina, but I've been to Argentinian steak houses here,which I imagine are nothing like what it actually is.

[00:16:27] So. No, he here in Argentina. Imean, they're called . Where are you going to buy your meat on? There's almosta one at every corner. I mean, they're all over the place because most peopleit's, they don't go. They don't, you don't usually go to a supermarket all thetime. I mean, you go to the place where they sell the vegetables and you go tothe place where they, where they sell the meat.

[00:16:44] And usually they have. In theneighborhoods. So you just go out and buy the meat from your, and you get tothat's one thing, I love it here. I got to know my, the butcher. I got to knowhim really well. And we started playing basketball together. I mean, we we'd, Iwould go there and buy me from him. We'd be talking for 45 minutes sometimes ifthere was another client and we started talking [00:17:00] and we ended uprealizing that we both loved basketball, he invited me to play basketball and Igot to know him really well.

[00:17:04] So that it's, it's a neat thinghere in Argentina, where that that's still, you still get to know the peoplethat you're buying from. You're not just going to the supermarket and payingand then going home. I mean, people you're buying from you still get to know.So, and there's, and there's, there's there's butcher shops all over the placeand the, yeah, the Argentine cuts are beautiful.

[00:17:20] I mean, you just don't get thesame cut in the States. They know the right cuts for the barbecue. It'sbeautiful. And it sounds like you don't have to worry about all the factoryfarming issues that you would have to worry about here. Even, even going tolike a whole foods or something. You've got to be careful with what you'rebuying.

[00:17:37] Whereas there is it just kind oflike you're literally buying from the farmers at these corner stores or how farremoved is it? It used to be like that it's slowly, but. Surely, unfortunately,moving to the way that the States does it. So a lot of their cattle are they'refinished off on feedlots. So a lot of the cattle are finished off just eatingpure grain.

[00:17:59] So you gotta be [00:18:00]careful and you still have to, you have to be conscious about the meat you'rebuying, unfortunately. But yeah, you can still find a lot of cows that aregrown on pasture, but they're starting to grow. They're starting to finish themoff on feedlots. Now. They don't live their whole life and feed lots, butthey're finishing them off and feed lots.

[00:18:14] So you do have to be careful.You have to be a little bit more conscious about the meter reading here too.I'm wondering if that isn't kind of an inevitability of an economy of scale,where as you're turning the screws in bigger corporations, as they start toconsolidate more wealth or more market share, they're going to see, Oh no, wecan just do this and make it a little bit worse for them, but whatever it maybe, it cuts our costs.

[00:18:38] And. Well, they'll end up justlike the U S eventually. Maybe everybody's just slightly behind us in the raceof making our meat as bad as humanly possible. And then I feel like there needsto be regulation too, to count against that, because if there's not a, ifthere's not regulation stopping that, all we have are pockets of people likeColin, like yourself, like me, [00:19:00] that care about our meats, but wedon't affect enough change.

[00:19:03] To solve the problem. I don'tknow that there was a question there somewhere. I feel like I missed one andthen kept talking. But no, but it's, it's a slow process. Yeah. I mean, that's,that's one of the reasons why I do what I do now. I mean, doing it one-on-onewith patients, which is too slow as I gotta get this out there.

[00:19:19] It's got to be, it's got to comeout. More wide. So I, that's why I started the podcast. That's why I do a lotof what I do is, is to try and get the word out there a little bit fasterbecause one-on-one yeah, it's just way too slow. I can talk a patientone-on-one but that's, that just takes way too long.

[00:19:33] Yeah. And it's a slow process. Idon't see. I mean, usually when the regulator just makes it, makes it worse.Slowly, but surely, I mean, that's the only way. And I, and you start to seeprogress in the state. Um, slowly from what I see, people are starting to wakeup slowly but surely, but he has a slow process.

[00:19:48] And then there's so muchsickness. I mean, so much preventable sickness, just because people don't wantto wake up. It is very, very tough and you're fighting against years and yearsof misinformation. And you're also [00:20:00] getting kind of next to othermisinformation. So you're like, even though we exist in two separate spaces,The path to getting to where you get to vegans and carnivores kind of take asimilar path.

[00:20:14] They get away from what theydistrust about the status quo. And they end up where they end up and they tookslightly different paths to get there, but it comes from the same place. So ifsomeone comes to you and they, they, they come to you and they say, Hey, I'm avegan. Do you try to change their mind? Or you just try to kind of make surethey're doing it better?

[00:20:30] No, I always give my opinion.Personally my opinion for what I've learned meat, part of the diet. I know mostpeople leave because they see what they see those videos of the, theslaughterhouses and of the feedlots. And like, I can't support that. And that'sthe reason why most of them leave. And just like the same thing you're sayingabout the carnivores.

[00:20:46] They see that, well, the plants,this, this plant has certain chemical that's its defense. And it's going tocause me harm because over the thousand years that this plan is developed, that'show it defended itself. And it's not good for us at the same time. I mean, weneed them both. Well, we just got [00:21:00] to make sure we're getting cleanfood and the best way to get that clean food is how, I mean, the food that weraise ourselves.

[00:21:06] Of course, a lot of us don'thave room to raise animals. So that's when we have to go out and find thatclean food. Sometimes that could be, that could be a hundred miles away, butyou find that food and you bring it in and that's, that's the most importantthing. So I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to. I, I give my opinion and whatI, what I feel is the best way to feed yourself and it, and it's a combinationof everything.

[00:21:27] I mean, most people, like I sayreturned to most people just don't get enough. Good fats and that's, and that'sbecause they're eating bad meat or they just stopped eating meat. So meat's avery important part, but at the same time, and yeah, I grow vegetables and someof the best tasting food that I've made is a combination of vegetables and meaton the barbecue.

[00:21:43] So it's important that we, thatwe try to get a combination of everything. And that's why this soil is soimportant. I mean, we always come back to the soil. What are we eating comesfrom the soil. So if the soil is dead, it doesn't matter. If it's the animaleating the grass, that's dead, or for eating the fruit that comes from thesoil.

[00:21:58] That's dead. We're going to have[00:22:00] absolutely no nutrition. So coming back to the soil, building soil.So I personally think that. One of the major jobs of us as humans is rebuildthe soil. I mean, you don't have to be a farmer to rejoin, rebuild the soil Italk about the book is we should all be composting.

[00:22:13] Everything that's organic shouldbe going back into the soil. So start composting. Even if you live in a city,you start composting under your sink and take that soil and put it back in yourflowerpots and grow vegetable. And you're going to see that the taste is goingto be wow. Oh my goodness. There's actually a taste to this vegetable wherebefore you would just eat it or you didn't.

[00:22:34] But there's no taste to it. Sogoing back to the soil is, is fundamental. Uh, we have to build soil. We haveto regenerate the soils that have been dead for now too long. And that's a jobwe can all do. We can all do our part just by starting out by composting.That's step one is composting from there. I mean, the joy of gardening justgoes from there.

[00:22:56] So let's say you are you're,you're living here in [00:23:00] America and you live in an apartment complex.We can even, we can even say that and you've got your little tiny balcony orsomething. So we've already, we've got step one is find a way to compost underyour sink. Right? Step two. Would you recommend getting some sort of pots orsince I don't even know what to call them, but some sort of container to putsome soil in outside or where, how would you go from there?

[00:23:21] I mean, if that's all you got,yeah. Container gardening on your balcony. I mean, that's where you start. Andthen from there, it's funny. I'm, I've had the same experiences here in thefirst house we lived here. We had no backyard, it was all concrete. And then myfront yard was, there was no front yard. It was my, it was the street.

[00:23:38] Some dirt and then the sidewalkand then the house. So it really wasn't my front yard, I guess you could callit to the community. And I took that and that's where I garden. So in betweenthe street and the sidewalk, so people would come by and ask me, he's like,what are you doing? I'm planting a garden.

[00:23:53] And the first thing they'd askedme was like, don't they steal everything. And then after that, yeah, of coursewe'd have a great conversation, but yeah, they already did feel, [00:24:00] butthat's how I started. And then from there I was able to get into contact withsome people from the city I'm living in and they.

[00:24:07] They let me use another piece oflanguages a lot more. And I was able to go there and start growing with otherpeople, but it all started with just me going out front and gardening. And thatbrought me the opportunity to find a bigger spot. So community gardens aregrowing or are sprouting up all over the place.

[00:24:24] So if you're living in a city,the first thing is yet it start to compost. And then second. Plant some stuffwhere you can, if that's your balcony or if you've got a place where your, aplace in the, in the apartment complex, that's green. Try to get permission togrow there. I mean, we should be growing food.

[00:24:38] Every we could. That's whathappened during world war two, the victory gardens were not just your backyardgarden. They took spots everywhere. There was victory gardens were justbackyard gardens. There were, there were open plots. There were, there werewherever they were dirt was, people were planning gardens too.

[00:24:53] In that time, supposedly supportthe soldiers, but they're supporting themselves to giving them that nutrientdense food that they, that they really didn't need. [00:25:00] And that couldbe done today. I mean, there's no reason why not to. And of course turning allthat corn and soy in those thousands acres of, of, of monocrop.

[00:25:09] We'll give that back to theanimals and let them, let them fertilize that let them, let the grass grow backand let them eat that. And then of course we can eat healthy meat too, butthere's so much we could do just a little space. Cause I, I was, I've beenthere. Like I said, I had, I had five planter boxes in my backyard and a littleeight by eight garden in my front yard.

[00:25:28] And it turned into, it turnedinto a big, huge community garden. Eventually it took two and a half years,but. It gave me the time and we were able to build up a pretty big garden. Ofcourse, I'm not at the moment. I'm not even there, there, they continue tobuild it up with me not being there. So what do you think is a great entrylevel thing to grow?

[00:25:46] Would it be like a potato? Wouldit be like a zucchini? Like what would it be like add to start with this one?It's easy. It'll grow pretty quick. Yeah. The most popular plan is a tomato.Most, most people start with tomato, not saying it's [00:26:00] easy. I mean,that's, that's the beautiful thing about gardening. We continue to learn every,every year.

[00:26:05] I mean, every year you weregetting better. I remember talking to my grandpa that garden, his whole life.It's like grandpa, why don't you write a book of Kenji? I want the informationthat's in your head. And he's like, Ben. I'm learning every year. There'ssomething new. I learn every year from the garden.

[00:26:18] So it's an experience we'realways learning. So it's intellectually also stimulating. It's a beautifulthing. So, I mean, most people start with the tomato, they put it, they put aseed in a planner. Box or in a flower pot and they go from there. I love it.You just said that your, your grandfather told you he was learning things everyday, because in every field, whether it's food related, whether it's back onthose nine to five spreadsheets that we were talking about earlier, you'llbecome stagnant.

[00:26:44] And whatever that field is, ifyou stop learning. And that's just great advice in general Sage advice from ourelders, and to continue to learn, if everybody could continue to learn one newthing every day, And that's the thing back in SAR, ancestors. I mean the, theolder [00:27:00] people had a very important role.

[00:27:01] Their role was to teach the newgeneration. I mean, we've lost that. We looked down at the old people now. Imean, there are no anything, no, they they're. They're full of information.They're full of great things that they can teach us. And that was their roleback then because they didn't have the strength to get it on work, but they didhave the strength that the mental straight to teach the new generation to dowhat they needed to do to continue to produce and continue to live in a healthymanner.

[00:27:23] And that that's been lost in, inwhat is today? It just doesn't. We don't see that anymore. Well, it's not theonly thing that's been lost today, but there's, there's definitely, uh, it'sdefinitely one of them. We've gotten so many things out of convenience that wedon't realize maybe maybe in 500 years, humans will evolve into such a waythat.

[00:27:42] They need the convenience andit's actually worse to do what we're doing, but we're not there yet. We're noteven close to 500, actually 500 like that. That's only five people. I don'tknow. Maybe it's gotta be like 5,000. I don't even, that's a lot. So we, wewill be on other planets before it's time to do anything differently.

[00:27:58] So bringing this back to[00:28:00] you, what you're doing and everything that's been happening withyou. I always, I like to ask this question a bit with people who have kind ofgrand things that they're doing, but if you could remove. All of theconstraints that you currently have and whether it be money, whether it be likenot enough land or whatever it is, and work on one project and just get itgoing, what would that be for you?

[00:28:20] Hm, well, right now the onething I'm doing in, and hopefully it's the thing. That's what I should be doingis making what the book is. Into a lifestyle. In other words, I'm turning thechapters of my book into ways to teach the masses through classes and courses.So that's what I'm doing right now. And I think if I can get this out there asto many people as possible, I can see huge change in what is the overall healthof the world.

[00:28:52] And I feel that's where I shouldbe going. So I'm focusing on that right now. And with time, hopefully. That'llgive me [00:29:00] space to get some more land and do even more. But nowthat's, that's the focus and I believe that's the way I should. That's where Ishould be going. So more or less, you've already removed your own constraintsand you're headed in that direction.

[00:29:13] So that's very few people cansay, if I could remove every constraint, I would be doing exactly what I'mdoing. So that's an awesome situation to be in it's. Uh, I've I've looked atthroughout history. You have people like an Elon Musk who. They got all themoney they could ever need with PayPal. So they, so he ended up making electriccars and it's always interesting what you can do when the constraints areremoved.

[00:29:35] So I'm glad that you're able togo in that direction and, and become the Elon Musk of the dirt. That's

[00:29:45] pretty cool. So coming uptowards basically the end of the episode here. We've given a lot of advice.We've given a lot of anecdotes and stories. If you could leave the listenerswith one or two things about their future [00:30:00] and living more in tunewith their ancestors that we haven't covered yet, what could those be?

[00:30:05] Maybe two action items forsomebody listening to this episode to go forward. Perfect. And we'll before II'm going to get to that, but I mean, with the book there's eight action steps.And I'm going to give what the soil can do for us. And then I'll say, I thinkthe two most important ones for getting started.

[00:30:25] So if, if we return to the soil,first of all, returned, the soil makes our nutrition simple. There's no morestudies to have to be done. There's none. None of that really. Is important ifwe just return to the soil because the soil will give us all the nutrition weneed that's through eating animals and through eating plants.

[00:30:48] If we do that, nutrition becomessimple. Even if we're supposedly sick and we were taking more of one supplementthan another. If we return to the soil, we'll be able to [00:31:00] use. What'sin the soil and that'll help us heal. So it makes nutrition simple. That's oneof the things that's so beautiful about returning to soil.

[00:31:08] Um, by feeling here we heal,there's a type of therapy in United States called echo therapy, where they justtake you out into the woods. So you could feel nature, just filling her Hills,us decreases all forms of stress. So it decreases not only the, the, thephysical stresses and the emotional stresses in life.

[00:31:25] But. Any type of stress thattoxic stress has all the stresses in life. It helps reduce those. It buildscommunities. I mean, it builds community. Like I said earlier, it helped me builda community just by planning our in the front yard. Naturally people would askme, what are you doing? And we struck up these conversations, we'd have greatconversations and we'd these people that I would get to know my neighbors a lotbetter than I would have if it wasn't for, for the garden, for being out innature.

[00:31:49] It provides us movement againstour muscles and our bones, which we have to, if we're not moving, we're sick.So getting out and with a shovel and lifting dirt is a great way to put, Imean, [00:32:00] dirt is probably one of the heaviest things out there and it'sfree. I mean, we can lift it whenever we want and we just have to go findsomeone.

[00:32:06] If you're in a city can bedifficult. It builds our immune system. Like right now, the whole Corona viruspandemic. I mean, people are scared of a virus. And if we would just get outand interact with that bacteria and the viruses that are in the soil that woulddevelop our own immune systems. And we wouldn't have to be scared anymore.

[00:32:24] There's no need to be scaredanymore. If we just get back to soil and let our own immune system develop. Anda lot of that bacteria, noddles viruses found in soils and the air andeverywhere else around us helps develop that immune system so we can fight offall that stuff that comes in. I mean, cause it's all around us.

[00:32:40] It's not going to leave. We justhave to live with it. And the stronger we are, the easier it is to live withit. And playing in the dirt is a great way to develop our immune system. To me,one of the things that helped me with has helped me stay in the present moment.So it was a type of meditation. So that's where the emotional part comes in.

[00:32:57] It brings you back to thepresent moment. It not only brings you back to [00:33:00] the present moment,but it brings you back to the present moment while you're doing something good.So you're building soil, you growing food for yourself and your family for yourneighbors. So you're in the present moment doing something good.

[00:33:10] It was a great way. That's oneof the things that helped me get through chiropractic college in those reallyhard times where I wasn't controlling my internal dialogue, where it wastelling me things that it wasn't, that weren't true was those 15 minutes ofwatering the garden and just being in the present moment, doing something good.

[00:33:27] And then the last thing is, issomething that's becoming a lot more popular. Now it's called grounding. It'scalled earth things worth. All you do is you take your socks and shoes off andyou go out and touch the ground, just be present, touching the ground. Andthat's what I would leave. I would say, if you are going to do anything, takeyour shoes and socks off and go walk on the ground and more important.

[00:33:46] If you have kids, take theirshoes and socks off and go walk on the ground for 30 minutes every day to feelwhat the earth can actually do for you. And once you're doing that, get yourhands dirty, get your hands dirty in the soil, because that's the best way to[00:34:00] develop an immune system where you're not gonna have to worry or bescared about anything that's around.

[00:34:03] You there'll be strong enoughthat it doesn't matter. If it comes, you can be strong enough to deal with it.So those would be the two things. Take your shoes and socks off. If you've gotkids, take your shoes and socks off and go hang out on the soil. That can bethe grass that can be the sand. That can be the water.

[00:34:18] Just take your shoes and socksoff and enjoy what nature has to give you because the healing effects, which wedidn't get into on this episode are incredible. And then put your hands in somesoil. Because the feeling, the smell it's, it's a beautiful feeling and you meanto feel more alive if you do it.

[00:34:36] So those would be the two thingsI would say, but it, like I said, there's many more. And in my book I talkabout eight of them, which I gave you a little bit, a little summary, but likeI returned take your shoes and socks off and your kid's shoes and socks off,play in the dirt, stand on the dirt and get your hands dirty in the dirt.

[00:34:55] At all Sage advice. So if we[00:35:00] wanted to find your book is Amazon the best place. I mean, obviouslylisteners, you can click the link in the show notes. We're going to have that,but if you just want to type something into your browser, what's the best placeto go to get a copy. Yeah, it'd be Amazon. If you're living in the States, youcan just go to my website and I can send it straight to you.

[00:35:16] So it's on my website and it'salso an Amazon. And is the website the, uh, past those veterans farm or was it.That's it. And so you go to pastels, go to this farm.com or you can just get onAmazon. And then if you want to get in contact with me, it's the place that I'musually on, on social media is Ben page DC.

[00:35:34] It's at Ben page DC, and it'sInstagram. That's where I I'll get back to you. If you, if you talk to him onInstagram, Is the DC Washington DC or something else? No doctor ofchiropractic. There we go. That's good. Of course. That's what it is. But whathave we been talking about this whole episode? Don't put me in charge anyway,so awesome.

[00:35:52] So we can follow you onInstagram. We can find you on your website links again in the show notes, butthe listeners can just go directly there and they don't have to pull up theirthing on [00:36:00] their phone and find it go follow and interact. You've gota whole podcast with name of your podcast. Well, the podcast is the wellnessfarmer podcast.

[00:36:08] Yep. So that's yep. That'sanother thing you can look up if you're interested in the wellness farmerpodcast. And if you speak Spanish, I do in Spanish too. It's called . Awesome.So you could do it right from your app right here, whatever you're listening tous on, you can just do that and you can find his podcasts and keep this, keepthis going, and you can even keep it going in Spanish.

[00:36:28] So if this has been interesting,you do that right now. Go ahead. Do it as far as, as far as we're concerned.Uh, last question I have for you is what is your favorite cut of meat? Itdepends on where you're cooking, but if you're cooking on the barbecue and thecut is. Unfortunately, I don't know the names in English, but it'd be the, it'dbe the, the ribs, but they cut the ribs here.

[00:36:52] Different it's called it'scalled DDA. They saddle here in Argentina is called  and it's a specific cut of the ribs,[00:37:00] which is just beautiful or Masio, which is the part just under theribs. Those are the two best cuts for the barbecue man. And all you do is youplay some salt on them. Let it sit for a little while 15 to 20 minutes andthrow those on the barbecue.

[00:37:14] There's nothing better thanthat. Nothing better than that. That is the first time we've gotten thatresponse. Almost everybody else just says rib-eyes, I'm glad we have some new,awesome actual items. Although I wish we could get it in the States. We probablycan't. So, I mean, there was some Mexican, uh, meat markets where you couldget, they did give you a CEO, but they cut it a lot thinner and they called itFlint.

[00:37:36] I think it's flank steak. Uh, Ithink in English has the flank, but they, they cut it a lot thinner here inArgentina, they leave a thick, so it sits on the barbecue for about a good twohours. And when it's done, it's just an it's just impressive. And then yeah,the rib cut. The rib cut is cut. It's not cut side.

[00:37:54] It's not cut. It's cut longer.Not, not, not the length of the rib, but the [00:38:00] cut of the rib is alittle bit wider. It's not so thin. So it's got a lot more meat on it. And soit takes a little bit longer to cook on the barbecue and it just, it's just amazing.All right. Well now I'm, now I'm hungry. I've been fasting all day and I'mready to go break that.

[00:38:16] So thanks for being on the show.This has been an awesome show and we'll let you know, as soon as it airs and welove to have everybody back on the show. Ideally six to eight months aftertheir show comes on. So hopefully we'll have you back. Oh, that'd be awesome.I'd love to come back on. Talk about the progress.

[00:38:33] Hopefully. There's a lot.Awesome. Well, thanks again, and everybody have a great day. Hey, from theancestral mind, please always remember that the members of the ancestral mindpodcast are not in fact medical professionals. They're not doctors, they're notnutritionists. They are simply providing this entertainment for you to do yourown research and.

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